I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. Clear editor. $55.00. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. The problem was strikers. In the latest lawsuit, plaintiffs allege that the newer-version of the P320 can also discharge when dropped or struck from certain angles. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. jimmy1256 I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. SATIN COPPER | Matte ZrCN. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. It's this doohickey circled in red in the picture. Powered by Invision Community. If not sorry and GL! About $300. . It's bad enoughso much case is hanging out beyond the chamber face to headspace just below flush with the hood. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. Going to have to feed it some more ammo this weekend to see if the problem happens again. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. "The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. It was a weakend case, and the gun was fine after I repleced the extractor with a spare I had. To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. The P320 9mm compact was known to have issues with failure to extract. a. All the factory replacement corrosion-resistant parts to replace your P320 .45 AUTO extractor assembly. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. This part is a high-quality replacement internal extractor for specific versions of the P220 and most X5 models. No, it doesnt. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. NH food pantries expect rise in demand as SNAP benefits drop, Saint-Marc, tapped as federal magistrate judge, poised to make history in NH, NH AGs pursuit of hate group marks a turning point in officials response to extremism, Over 2 million more electric vehicles estimated in New England over next decade. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. Thanks for the replies guys and gals. After some research, it appears the P320 Compact 9mm (and only the P320 Compact 9mm) has a known problem w/all weights of Blazer Brass. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. 3. Double check that the mag is fully seated and there is a round in the chamber. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. The most common problems with the SIG P320 X5 Legion are recoil spring issue, slide locking/FTE due to lack of lube, battery blowing out issues and outgassing issues. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. Sig p320 Max potential extractor issues I found a good deal on a p320 max and was hoping to pick it up, but while doing my due diligence, I came across quite a few posts with people having bent extractor issues. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Update: 6/30/16 Ordered a new Caliber X-change kit 9F about 4 weeks ago and have been using the new kit for the last 4 matches. That could happen easily. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. In 2017, a prominent online gun shop pulled the P320 from its shelves, citing its concern that the weapon could fire if dropped from the wrong angle. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . Clear editor. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. Newington-based Sig Sauer is facing a new legal complaint from 20 individuals, including law enforcement officers and military veterans, who claim they were injured when the companys pistols fired without a trigger pull. Although if you have the RA, you may also have a pre-paid shipping label. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. UPDATE: 7-6-16 So, received my P320 9F back from Sig Sauer. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. USA. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. P320 Sear Group Housing Assembly. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. Trying to gauge how widespread the problem is. Other then that this gun has function without any stoppages. I know I'm reviving an old thread here as well. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. Also, N320/147g or N310/165g at125-130 pf are probably a good deal lower pressure than factory +P or +P+ loads, which should be safe to shoot in these guns. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Trust a P365 with your life. Dang, I thought my 320 was the only one that swaged a belt on 9mm cases! I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts, whenever there is an over pressure situation. It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. P365 / P365XL Striker Kit This is a factory Sig Sauer striker kit $57.39. NO. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. In 2017, a prominent online gun shop pulled the P320 from its shelves, citing its concern that the weapon could fire if dropped from the wrong angle. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! But they addinsult to injury by a"funneled" cut a good 1/8"-3/16" in from the chamber face. That's for the update. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. It did not originally have this. Has anyone else had issues? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM I will discuss the solutions to all these problems and user reviews in this article. Your previous content has been restored. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. My buddy took 1st place in the Delmarva championship with the X5 in CO. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, Fifth Circuit Finalizes Ruling In Favor of Plaintiff in Cargill v. Garland, Legalizes Bump Stocks in Three States, Patriot Picket Lets Marylanders Know What to Expect From the Legislatures Bruen Response Bill, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. More testing is needed to be 100 percent sure but looks good so far. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. I initially thought that i had an extractor issue because i was getting FTE with some white box and otherRN, and FMJ ammo.. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. 3. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. The service includes the following. From what I can tell, it has all the GEN II upgrades. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. Was it his fault? It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. There is definitely less support for the case on that 320 barrel compared to that 938. He spent nearly a decade in the non-profit world, working with international development agencies and anti-poverty groups. fabes_ 6 yr. ago Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. She has the p320 9fs that has been RMR with a delta point. They admitted their problem and fixed it. I call Sig hoping to send it in for repairs, they told me to try different ammo. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. SATIN GOLD | Matte TiN. Another possible cause is using light loads where the slide isn't cycling far enough to hit the ejector. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. If you think of anything else, post it and I will reply. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Before the guide rod/spring change we were having a lot of stove pipes. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Sig Sauer P320 45 AUTO EXTRACTOR ASSEMBLY - CORROSION RESISTANT. The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. New Sig factory extractor parts are on their way to replace what I have in the gun. I have 2 FCUs and 4 caliber kits. Slide has cycled all of the way back and attempts to strip the next round from the magazine. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. Sound familiar? The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. The rear 1/3rd of the case isfreely able to bloat. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. I dont own a P320. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. N310 with 165gr? SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. The Sig P320 XTen is one of few P320's that are in a different caliber, and the only 10mm Auto. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). So? Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. They had it for 5 WEEKS! Changing the extractor & extractor spring (recommended fix) seems to have solved the problem. Really? Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. It was ejecting shell casings all over the place. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. You can post now and register later. I was having issues with my P320, failure to extract that started off as a single incident in a month, then increasing in frequency after. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. Sometimes it would do the same as the above but it was under the extractor like it should be. Just recently got a 9mm Full Size kit and it's driving me nuts. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. Shoot fast, shoot safe. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. Before they got to it. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. Now before anyone starts with the questions lets answer the common ones. There was no holster involved. Over pressure, and poor case support, just a thought. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. I'll keep you all posted. The standard P320 Compact magazine holds 15 rounds, but you can use higher-capacity magazines as well. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Fair enough. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? June 20, 2017 in Sig. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. Fitting, gauging, and range testing. But breaking news here, skippy. But when you're running at the raggedy edge, when you're running well into or over +P -- as many people do with super fast powders and super heavy bullets, trying to chase down the holy grail of soft felt recoil -- when you're at that raggedy edge, it doesn't take a double-charge for a catastrophic failure. Mixed range brass? Paste as plain text instead, Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. 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