Grant handled the radio tuning. Villi took control from me to give me a rest. Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, Merry Christmas, kool-aid drinkers. When we resume operations, we will have the most reliable fleet in our industry embracing the highest standards in aviation, said Mr. Santo. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. I picked up the Avantair share as a resale through a vendor and paid a lot less then what it would have cost to buy it directly from the company, so at least I'm invested at a much lower number. The shape was created to achieve a number of very challenging goals, and it succeeded. If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. Most charter operators fly the Avanti II with a crew of two. I wont get into the details of it here, but suffice it to say Grant was busy with taking notes as I flew the airplane. Unfortunately, ill-fated business and maintenance practices eventually led to its bankruptcy in 2013. With over 25 years of trading, AvBuyer is the primary marketplace for new and pre-owned turboprops, plus you can read AvBuyer magazine and our online actionable intelligence resources which offer insight, market data and analysis from The unique rear mounted turboprop engines makes the Avanti instantly recognisable. Several years ago I shared a King Air 200 with another company which was great until the partner got into financial trouble and couldn't pay their half. The other huge advantage of the configuration is that it opens up the fuselage, allowing a cabin that is closer to that of midsize jets than light jets. I would especially reach out to Mr. Norris and others and hope that we will be able to serve you again in the future. Some operators use a Garmin 430 mounted on the far left side of the panel. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. Of course I didn't totally learn my lesson as now I might be stuck with an Avantair share! On climb-out, especially given the steep angle of attack of the impressive-climbing P.180, its hard to see much out front at all. Yes. They have a history of lying. He sighted the runway at 50 ft above the missed approach point. Reaching ahead between the forward cabin bulkhead, he lifted the left-side pilots seat to provide a clear floor area on which to stand. Piaggio P.180 Avanti: Owner/operator: Avantair Inc: Registration: N146SL: MSN: WebSECTION A: GENERAL, P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I. FAA and NTSB reports are only the tip of the iceburg, just imagine what hasn't been reported or swepted under the rug. I started looking at commercial flights, figuring SWA flies there and it would be inexpensive anyway. Comments since yesterday, Oct. 25, seem oblivious to the safety of flight issues. Today's grounding is the 4th time in 2 weeks they have grounded the fleet, but the previous times they had slowly returned airplanes to service. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. I kept on the controls through a number of heading changes much up into the midteens before switching on the autopilot. P180 Avanti Pressurization System. Wingspan / 46 ft 1 in I used the Rockwell Collins CDU-3000 to make inputs to the FMS as I programmed an ILS approach with a transition at position GIKUT and engaged NAV for Villi. I could see why 380 is a preferred altitude. pilot operation, so when a small amount of fogging briefly appeared on my (right) screen, the clear pattern would allow the left-seat pilot adequate visibility. In other words two failures and occured. The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. Well, pretty much all sold out. First, with a far aft wing the engines two Pratt & Whitney PT6s in a pusher configuration can be mounted very far aft as well, which helps keep the interior noise low. Avanti II appeared for the 2006 model year with higher thermodynamically rated engines. Space laundry washing throughout the week. The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. For years, Avantis languished on the fringes of general aviation as a niche airplane. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. WebP180 Avanti General Description. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). I stayed on the flight director as we climbed, quickly getting into IMC and getting rapid-fire climb-and-maintain clearances along the way. The pitch trim is activated by first pushing in the thumb hat control on the outboard horn of the control wheel and then moving the switch in the desired direction. In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. The owners got into another Piaggio and flew again. In fact, Avantair late last year took possession of the 100th Avanti delivered in the United States, which has been far and away the models best market. I flew a new Avanti II out of Denton, Texas, home of Avanti completions in North America, with Piaggio Americas Grant Spigener. I was told my aircraft was on extended maintenance (whatever that meant, now I know). His record is pristine and out of Vegas, PS Albany has treated him so bad. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. Turboprops behave in certain ways, and jets in other ways, but the Avanti II is a true hybrid, a product that blends the best traits from two very different airplane categories to arrive at some third niche, which at present it occupies by itself. Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N141JT: Private: 0: Georgetown, TX: sub: 09-JUN-2018: Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N977RS: private : 0: Tivat Airport (TIV/LYTV) w/o: 03-JAN-2019: Piaggio P.180 Avanti: N990RS: Rainbow Sandals Retail Inc. 0: 20 nm W of Kelowna, BC: Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. Now it will be impossible, since I cant even book my last few trips of the year, because I have no idea if we will be flying. I got an email at about 10:30 last night saying cancelled for the reasons stated in this email, with the same offer to find me a charter ay my expense. Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 avionics suite also debuted in the Avanti II. Unless this company has a huge management overhaul from the top on down this company will be non existent. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. Max takeoff weight / 12,100 lbs During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. If anyone has any insight please share it. chrisallegro January 15, 2010, 6:21pm #1. They offered to find me a charter at MY EXPENSE, which just isn't right. Avantair has retained safety expert Nick Sabatini to oversee the project. It just so happens to be one of the most unusual looking ones too. Contact me at Atomicapril @ gmail.com. It pulled the concept off. I just read about the one that flipped, but understand, it is only this issue that has me looking at ntsb reports, it is not something most fractional owners do before every flight. Fastest Turboprop Takeoff over 50-ft obstacle (sea level) / 3,262 ft I call it a three-surface design, with forward wing, main wing and tail. Other parts, mainly fairings and the like, are composite, but for the most part, Piaggio Aeros Avanti II is a sheet metal airplane. Using the intuitive FMS CDU, I programmed a route toward BERAB, the initial approach fix for the VOR approach to Runway 27 at Villanova. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. Max range / 1,470 nm. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. Once level, we were rewarded with what was nearly the top speed of the P.180, which was consistently 395 knots bumping up to that magical 400-knot figure on a couple of occasions, those figures at around 800 pounds per hour total. To demonstrate the low-speed aileron control, Lorenzo then pulled back to the buffet and effortlessly rolled on 80 degrees of bank and then recovered to level flight. Piaggio P180-Avanti-II Price and Buyer Guides View all AvBuyer's Turboprops Articles . For private owners, charter customers and fractional owners, the big cabin is a major selling point. Once on the runway and cleared for takeoff, we checked to make sure the flaps were set for takeoff and the steering was too there are different modes depending on how fast youre traveling though theres no tiller and that our trims and condition lever were correctly set. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. Any altimeter setting mismatch is shown by a yellow line beneath the altimeter setting on the PFD, and the pressurized cabin is set to climb at 300 fpm. As a result, the engine management chores on the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all The crew arrived at the intermediate airport and quickly boarded the two waiting passengers.Theydid not perform an adequate preflight inspection and departed about 5 minutes behind schedule. Try using low-flow fixtures. You know get them off the insurance roll. 36 dated 11 April 2019 to the P.180 Avanti Pilot's Operating Handbook and AFM (Report 6591). The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. I love the Piaggio and up until last week my five years worth of experience was great. Don, sorry about your situation and lack of communication. General Data Sheet No. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. This press release was issued by Avantair late last night: AVANTAIR UPDATE ON VOLUNTARY STAND-DOWN OF OPERATIONS. You need to check your facts pal, they offered voluntary leaves to avoid furlough up until recently a handful of people have been fired for the slightest error in judgement. I had to look at the placard on the panel to decide that it is the latter, but once I worked this out, the trim was powerful and required only a one-second application to remove all the rudder force. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? At FL350, the speed remained stable even with back pressure applied to maintain altitude, and the aircraft was easy to control. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. It is, instead, a forward wing. I think that it should be obvious to everyone here that comments by Mandarin Jet and a few others should be taken with a grain of salt. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, Air Force looks toward automation with Reliable Robotics, Boeing, NASA to develop sustainable airliner. Oh, and "coincidentally" perhaps, I got an email request for some documents that they were missing from my file yesterday, which I sent over. Ask yourself this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all at the same time? Pilots are being pushed to the extreme limits of duty time and rest and general morale simply could not be lower company-wide. The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2018-07-18/pilot-report-piaggio-avanti-evo, Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. The airplane is nicely stable on final. Height / 13 ft 1 in Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. Later versions of the P.180 included the P.180 Avanti I and P.180 Avanti II. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. P180 Avanti Lighting System. They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. The caution terrain aural warning was sounding continuously as Villi maneuvered us to the left in visual conditions to fly around the hill, inconveniently placed on the extended certerline of the runway. Really thinking nothing of it, I booked a flight from LAS to Orange COunty Ca today (coming back tomorrow). Interestingly, the windscreen de-fog system is set up for single- On first glimpse, the cabin interior is impressive, with a two-place bench seat opposite the door, a single sideways-facing seat on the same side as the door and four club-arranged seats leading to a full privacy toilet. Ive removed Kyles email address above since this is not a pilot placement service, and Ive also deleted a charter companys post trolling for business from Avantair customers. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. .intend to return to the 121 world. You can get a good 2003 model with the increased weights that make it an Avanti II for $5.3. But, I'm sure that you could have done much better. WebAs the factory-authorized training provider for Piaggio Aeros P.180 Avanti, Avanti II and Avanti EVO models, FlightSafety has created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and maintenance technicians of Piaggio Aero aircraft are equipped with the latest in safety training. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. According to industry sources, the action stemmed from an incident earlier this year in which an Avantair Avanti shed an elevator in flight. Be sure to repair any leaky faucets or toilets. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. In attempting to understand the Piaggio P.180 Avanti II, you need to begin by forgetting everything you thought you knew about turboprop-powered airplanes. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. The fuel penalty for flying in the 20s is not as extreme as it is in turbofan airplanes. I have knowledge of quite the contrary. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. A friend owns a The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: 27 occurrences in the ASN safety database, Battle Mountain-Lander County Airport, NV (BAM/KBAM), Piedmont Triad International Airport (KGSO), Greensboro, NC, St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport (KPIE), Florida, Flint-Bishop International Airport, KFNT/FNT, MI, Dickinson-Theodore Roosevelt Reg'l Airport (KDIK), Dickson, ND, Abraham Lincoln Capital Airport (KSPI), Springfield, IL, Essex County Airport (KCDW), Caldwell, NJ, Mineta-San Jose Int'l Airport (KSJC), San Jose, California, Genoa Cristoforo Colombo Airport (GOA/LIMJ), Denton Enterprise Airport - KDTO, Denton, TX, Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (BJC/KBJC), Jefferson County, CO, Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport, MD (BWI/, Aircraft Guaranty Corp Trustee (Operated by Aerovanti, Marathon-Florida Keys Airport, FL (MTH/KMTH), 28 km off Puerto Limn Airport (LIO/MRLM). 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