If you are a Home delivery print subscriber, unlimited online access is, Never miss a beat in Canadian Curling with the new On The Rocks newsletter, Stay Posted on Canadian Curling with the On The Rocks newsletter, Call Vince Li ('Will Baker') what he is: A cannibal killer who beheaded Tim McLean, WARMINGTON: The Kayla Lemieux show cancelled; no longer at Oakville school, Chris Rock will finally hit back at Will Smith over Oscars slap, Maple Leafs lose to Edmonton Oilers as Connor McDavid scores two Sheldon Keefe must find right fit for new defence, NO JACKET REQUIRED: Blue Jays pack away home run jacket as part of gritty new attitude, Vince Li is pictured at a court appearance in a Portage La Prairie, Man. They tried to negotiate with the crazy man holding a knife. There, he spent the night on a bench outside a grocery store. Now Li moved toward the back. Please try again. God made me do it, Li said. McLean barely noticed, continuing to sleep with his head against the window, and his headphones on. By continuing to use our site, you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. If he's doing well in a controlled environment with regularly administrated medications leave him there but freedom for him? It's sad that people forget that the person who did this have family that are innocent of the situation. He then decapitated him and proceeded to mutilate and cannibalize his body, eating his eyes and part of his heart. Li was undiagnosed before he killed McLean, meaning he has never had to voluntarily stick to a treatment plan. By submitting a comment, you accept that CBC has the right to reproduce and publish that comment in whole or in part, in any manner CBC chooses. Li was controlled and they adjusted his medication. A passing trucker gave men in the group tools as weapons in case the psycho got out. Two of them and the driver attempted to save McLean, but Li chased them away with the knife. On top of that, the chances of being killed by someone who has been deemed not criminally responsible are lower than your chance of being struck by lightning. (CBS/AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - Vince Li, the man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada, has won the right to be allowed to leave the grounds of the mental. 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Carol and Tims father, Tim McLean Sr. never got to say goodbye to their sonhis body was completely unviewable. ELISA LAMS GHASTLY DEATH AT THE NOTORIOUS CECIL HOTEL IN L.A. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. He tried to fight back. 2012 The Associated Press. A schizophrenic man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus could know later this week whether he will be granted his freedom. When the criminal court system washed their hands of Vince Li, the mental health system took over. BROWN DEATH BOSTONS MONSTROUS MOLASSES MASSACRE. His own brain chemistry was failing him. "My son died this way to shed light on the issue," DeDelley told reporters. Heres where the system is flawed. By June of 201015 months after Li was absolved by the criminal justice systemhe started supervised release. To many, it won't seem "right" that someone has to check in with the legal system forever just because he or she suffers from an illness and committed a crime, but at the same time, it's arguably worse to assume that everything is fine, to shrug off whatever act landed the individual in the justicesystem in the first place, and to blindly trust that he or she won't decide one day that medication is no longer needed. Vince Li knew exactly what he was doing and he remembered it. The flaws disrespect protection of society. Then waking up to someone stabbing you repeatedly, for no reason. A tall Asian man named Vince Li boarded the bus and sat toward the front in a seat by himself. The very next morning, Li sold his laptop to a boy. Li later attempted to drive the bus away (but was halted since the driver used the bus's emergency immobilizer system) and then tried to climb out of a window after a day-long stand-off. "But what would be unforgivable for me would be to not do anything to try to prevent this from happening again by the same perpetrator. Li at some point married a woman named Anna and became a menial worker at Grant Memorial Church, working there for six months despite the language barrier between him and others. In his mind, he and his trusty buck knife had just slain a demon. TRUE STORY HOW A GHOST CONVICTED A MURDERER, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON ACCIDENTS. McLean was murdered by Vince Li in 2008.Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/drgrandeAmerican Psychiatric Association. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a victim of circumstances much like the pedestrian creamed in a crosswalk by a drunk. Its the overall picture thats never been put to rest. Li continued to dissect Tims body and present parts for four hours. They contained the scene and attempted to reason with Li. Summerville released an edited transcript of the interview to the media Tuesday, in which he and Li discuss the night of July 30, 2008, when Li sat on a bus next to McLean that was traveling on a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway bound for Winnipeg. Wouldnt it be funny if we started a restaurant. Helunged it to sleeping Tims neck. It is all well and good, of course, to destigmatize mental illness but quite another to believe that Li is a miracle of forensic psychiatry, and has an almost zero chance of reoffending. JASON HALSTEAD/WINNIPEG SUN, Photo by Jason Halstead/Winnipeg Sun/QMI Agency. Understandably so. Please read the sidebar below for our rules. 7 god damn years for beheading and eating a man. Looking back, there were strands of fate bringing these two men together on that Greyhound bus. WAS NATALIE WOOD MURDERED BY HER HUSBAND, ROBERT WAGNER? DID LIZZIE BORDEN REALLY AX-MURDER HER PARENTS? INTERCONNECT FINDING YOUR PLACE, PURPOSE AND MEANING IN THE UNIVERSE. University of Winnipeg and downtown community newspaper. In 1992, Li graduated from University of Wuhan Institute of Technology with a Bachelor of Science degree in Computers. Vince Li was sitting near the front. How the public should be forced to take a chance on an unsupervised nut who committed the most barbaric act of public murder and cannibalism Ive ever heard of is plain stupid. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Trevor Hagan ORG XMIT: WPGT105, tap here to see other videos from our team. It's so terrifying to me, that he was just sleeping against the window, something literally anyone in that spot would do. End of story. Baker was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for killing Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus in 2008. By all accounts, Li was described as normal. Mounties look into the bus in which Vince Li was holed up along with the decapitated body of Tim McLean. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN NATALIE WOODS DEATH? I actually knew his sister when living in Banff. / CBS News. Shell never get over this. A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. If he gets it, it will be as if McLeans murder never happened, with nothing on the books even mentioning Li. Im a retired Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) Serious Crimes detective and investigator with the British Columbia Coroners Service. After he was deemed NCR, he was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for treatment. Li emigrated to Canada from China in 2001 and became a Canadian citizen four years later. None of them ever got justice. Once they got Vince Li in the system, the experts went to work. Comments on this story are moderated according to our Submission Guidelines. TAKE THIS TEST AND FIND OUT. Vince Li, the accused in the Greyhound bus beheading of Tim McLean, appears in a Portage La Prairie court Aug. 5, 2008. Published in Volume 71, Number 21 of The Uniter (February 22, 2017). DID THREE PRISONERS REALLY SURVIVE THEIR ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ? By 2015, Li was in a half-way house and only monitored for medication. It does remain existentially true that Vince Li could go off his medication. A Saskatchewan official says a beheading on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba 10 years ago was the beginning of a steep decline in bus ridership in his province. On March 5, 2009, McLean's killer, a 40-year-old Chinese-Canadian named Vince Li, was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for the murder, and was remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on May 8, 2015. (CBS/AP) WINNIPEG, Manitoba - Vince Li, the man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Canada, has won the right to be allowed to leave the grounds of the mental hospital where he is being kept, a criminal review board ruled Thursday. The prosecutor. HOW DO YOU GET INTO CSI, THE CRIME LAB, OR THE MORGUE? This case opened a Pandoras Box containing the issue of long-term criminal responsibility by the mentally ill. He could have never expected the reality that awaited him outside that Greyhound bus; he probably expected to be met as a hero. Vince Li moved through the justice system quickly. Ambrose is smart enough to know that Li is not actually a criminalbut a little too politically minded, apparently, to care. Vince Li, who now goes by Will Baker, was granted full discharge Friday afternoon. There is a reason why offenders deemed not criminally responsible are sent for treatment, not imprisonment, and why they are eventually released: if we accept that an illness compelled someone to commit a crime the man in the mask, pressing a gun into his ribs it is unjust to keep that person confined when that illness is under control. From 1994-1998, Li worked in Beijing as a computer software engineer. "He was on the lookout for aliens as such, and the voice of God told him that Tim McLean was an alien and he needed to destroy him lest Tim destroy other people," Summerville said. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. The mother of Tim McLean, the man who was beheaded and cannibalized on a Greyhound bus, is speaking out about the decision to grant an absolute discharge to the man who committed the violent crime . Visit us online, and feel free to reach out with your questions or ideas by going to arslonga.media. I asked him about Vincent Li earlier this week: . That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. There is now no legal recourse if he stops taking his medication or seeing his psychiatrist, which is unconscionable for many of those affected by Li's actions, including McLean's family. He will be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer. "He understands now that schizophrenia is a mental illness which plays tricks on the brain. They were quick to form a conclusion without exploring the entire circumstances in a full and open trial. But could it be prevented? Its not to shock you with gory details, though theres enough to go around. The standoff, that is. August 5, 2008. First published on May 18, 2012 / 11:48 AM. The ruling sparked renewed outrage from some members of the public, prompting Chris Summerville, head of the Manitoba Schizophrenia Society, to conduct a 45-minute interview with Li last weekend with the hope of shedding light on his progress. WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT PERSONAL DNA TESTING. Theres no system oversight. He cut off Tims nose and both of his ears, smelling them and licking blood from his fingers. May 18, 2012 / 11:48 AM Carol DeDelley, the victim's mother, called the board's decision unacceptable and vowed to continue her efforts to fight the law dealing with people found not criminally responsible. Tim was clearly dead but Li wasnt even close to finished. A schizophrenic man who beheaded and cannibalized a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus could know later this week whether he will be granted his freedom. This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below. DeDelley wants Li kept in a mental hospital permanently, but expects that he will gain more freedom every year until he is eventually released. After the incident, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) attempted to run an ad in the Portage Daily Graphic comparing the killing of McLean to the consumption of animals. And they're right: it isn't fair, but few things about mental illness are. This column is part of CBC'sOpinion section. The treatment team for Vince Li, the man found not criminally responsible for killing and butchering Tim McLean aboard a Greyhound bus nearly eight years ago, is recommending he be formally. Create an account or sign in to continue with your reading experience. SUN DANCE WHY CUSTER REALLY LOST THE BATTLE OF THE LITTLE BIGHORN, JOSEPH WAMBAUGH INTERVIEWING CRIME WRITINGS MASTER OF CHARACTERS, MISTER BIG UNDERCOVER STING CONVICTS ANOTHER COLD CASE KILLER, GET YOUR EROTIC BDSM KINKS AT THE SOUTHWEST LEATHER CONFERENCE, AMAZON FREE E-BOOK NEW YEARS PROMOTION NO LIFE UNTIL DEATH BY GARRY RODGERS, MERRY CHRISTMAS & WHATSUP FOR 2019 WITH GARRY RODGERS WRITING, THE ASTOUNDING SECRET BEHIND LEONARDO DA VINCIS CREATIVE GENIUS, UNCONVENTIONAL CRIME WRITING WITH L.A. 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On February 16, 2011, two of the passengers present during the attack filed a lawsuit against Vince Li, Greyhound, the RCMP, and the Government of Canada for being exposed to the horrific beheading. THE TERRIBLE TRUTH ABOUT ADOLF HITLERS REMAINS, TOP 20 INVENTORS KILLED BY THEIR OWN INVENTIONS. She previously worked as a columnist and editorial board member at the National Post. DID VINCENT VAN GOGH REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? On 5 March 2009, his killer, the 40-year-old Vincent Weiguang Li ( Chinese: ; pinyin: L Wigung ), [1] was found not criminally responsible for murder and remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on 8 May 2015. I've said it before and I'll say it again; fuck PETA. Since that time, Li has undergone nearly nine years of psychiatric treatment, and his team of doctors and mental health workers have stated that he is a model patient. In an interview granted to . His own brain chemistry was failing him. THE CIRCUS TRIAL OF THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY THE HALL-MILLS MURDERS, KILL DOZER MARV HEEMEYERS ATTACK ON A SMALL COLORADO TOWN. The Schizophrenia Society of Canada released an interview with Vince Li on Tuesday, saying Li's story needs to be told to "add a human touch to a horrible tragedy." The interview was. "I take my medication everyday. McLean, a 22-year-old Canadian man, was stabbed, beheaded, and cannibalized while riding a Greyhound Canada bus along the Trans-Canada Highway, about 30 km (19 mi) west of Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. This means that someone must literally commit the act of the crime, and they must also be in a state of mind to consciously and willfully intend to do so, in order to be found guilty. The public discourse around the trial has been disheartening, although I do recognize that it largely stems from ignorance rather than malice. JUST HOW DEADLY IS NOVEL CORONAVIRUS AND COVID-19? There are many dangerous offenders warehoused in mental institutions. Vince Li and the Greyhound Bus Murder (Bus 1170) - Eye Witness describes beheading (Interview) Serial Killer Minds 36.7K subscribers Subscribe 148 13K views 2 years ago On Greyhound 1170,. Last May, Matthew de Grood was found not criminally responsible (NCR), meaning he was found to have been mentally ill at the time of the Brentwood stabbings. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. (2013). That includes whether it was conclusively proven that Li was out of his mind and had no concept of what he was doing to Tim was wrong. Now that Vince Li understands what hes capable of when he goes off his medication, why on earth would he want to do that? It was their mandate. Subscribe now to read the latest news in your city and across Canada. Like, how could someone kill and dismember a stranger on a bus be in their right mind? [1] [2] Incident [ edit] By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The innocent and unsuspecting victim was Tim McLean, 22, a carnival worker heading home for a break. Vince Weiguang Li, was born in Dandong, China, on April 30, 1968. LINDY CHAMBERLAIN DID A DINGO REALLY GET HER BABY? 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I dont think it matters if youre mentally ill or not. Reddit's main subreddit for videos. Today, Vince Li is a free man. The killer was released from the high-security mental health facility in 2017. Convicting someone for only thinking about committing an illegal act, without them actually taking any action to do so, would be an example of thoughtcrime, something straight out of the famous dystopian novel 1984, by George Orwell. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Trevor Hagan ORG XMIT: WPGT112, Will Baker, formerly known as Vince Li, leaves the Law Courts building in Winnipeg, after his annual criminal code review board hearing, on Monday, February 6, 2017. Throughout the trial, Li only asked to be killed several times. We encountered an issue signing you up. Vince Li, or whatever the fuck he's changed his name to, deserves at the very least, a lifetime of professional supervision. Vince Li got on that Greyhound prepared to kill. After he was deemed NCR, he was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for treatment. he is open to voluntarily having his medication monitored, lower than your chance of being struck by lightning. Criminal Minds Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. "Kill them," he whispers into your ear. They put far too much weight in academic opinions and not enough on what actually occurred. This week, a criminal review board in Manitoba decided to lock up Vince Li, the knife-wielding man in their nightmares, in a high-security psychiatric ward for a year. 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Tim McLean Murder (Vince Li) | Mental Health & Personality Dr. Todd Grande 1.17M subscribers Dislike Share 65,410 views Nov 20, 2020 This video answers the question: Can I discuss the mental. These guys can get crazier than The Guy on the Greyhound Bus. He reclused like so many mentally-ill people do. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. Pierre Bruno ha vinto il Guinness Sei Nazioni meta del turno per il terzo turno del Torneo 2023 per la sua meta d'intercetto contro l'Irlanda a Roma. According to Summerville's transcript, Li recognizes that people fear him. But you simply cant kill a deranged man in this situation. Tldr: rehabilitation is a wonderful thing, but if you, without provocation, stab a sleeping person in the throat, saw their head off, eat their eyeballs and put their ears in your pockets as trophies while dangling their . 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