Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. newsletter. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Another highlight for me were Virpils Ace Interceptor Rudder Pedals. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. I will try them. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. > DIY You basically have the exact situation as me, except that I am using detachable desktop mounts to put the stick and throttle at a better hight for my arms, which I can then move them out of the way after play, like you had to. The VKB Ultimate grip may be interesting due to the material and modularity of it. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. Virpil's compression springs in the Mongoos are nice, but the WarBRD doesn't use them. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. I was hoping for something like this for Virpil Hotas. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. When you run the Virpil Joystick tester, do all the analog axes and button inputs show up? 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). I play 98% Elite Dangerous and 2% DCS and MSFS. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. That made the experience in Star Citizen, which features a surprising amount of walking, much more enjoyable. Sign up for a new account in our community. This applies to the connector between grip and base. I mostly play Elite Dangerous in VR and they have been fantastic for this with so many buttons and axis. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. I could hit the gas on the main thruster to accelerate forward, rotate my ship in place, then roll left while also moving slightly down and sliding to the right all at the same time. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I currently have a T.16kM HOTAS setup and am looking to upgrade the flightstick first and eventually move over to a HOSAS setup. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. Perhaps toe break tension as well. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. You can watch some youtube teardowns and see that VKB pays attention to the internals in a really impressive way. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. If youre going HOTAS, Id recommend getting something from Thrustmaster instead. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Those look awfully nice. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy (~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. > Reviews VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. I only have experience with vkb, but from everything I've read on here they are, for the most part, neck and neck, and I can't see you being disappointed with either. So vkb is not the first/only. The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. sorry don't own one but a here's a something you may like to try first. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. I've been lucky enough to have purchased of a Virpil CM2 throttle and a Constellation Alpha on Warbird base and I think they are fantastic! First post here. Somebody has also made some printable maps so that you can record what and where you have settings. All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. Valve Corporation. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. So I did that, but two things happened: one was checking in Windows, I saw THREE T-50 CM throttles, although ED now could see all the panel buttons and switches. Both of my Virpil bases had slack in the X axis at centre out of the box. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? Better options out there? Privacy Policy. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. Theres even a line of collective grips on the way, which will be perfect for the new helicopters coming to DCS World and Microsoft Flight Simulator in the not-to-distant future. There really is plenty. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. Elite also won't recognize any button inputs that are greater than #32. The VKB is slightly more refined whilst the Virpil is heavier duty. Have a look through the Virpil forums. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. I will be using the TM Warthog grip with a stickextension, so if anyone happens to run a similar setup on either the VKB or Virpil yourthoughts will be greatly appreciated. It works perfectly with all buttons. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. Outline:0:00 - First impressio. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. I've had Virpil for a while and have even refined my setup over time trying different grips/bases/throttles. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. 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Oops. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). Valve Corporation. 3 - anyone with theses setups i am conimg from a logitech x56 how to they compare in terms of build quality and feel? Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. Also known as a hand-on-stick-and-stick (HOSAS) setup, I found that it completely changed the flight experience in both Star Citizens Persistent Universe and Elite Dangerous. Or I can get the Virpil one and have a 2 stick approach which will let me actually assess a proper preference. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. I do use pedals too but haven't even mapped twist on my right hand, so that's itself not a limitation if you didn't intend to use them. HOTAS (hands on throttle and sticks) TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. It will also likely have the same kind of impact when Elite Dangerous: Odyssey launches later this year, adding first-person, on-foot gameplay to that spacefaring game. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? 1 - does anyone have both of these setups and can tell me what they prefer? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. > Q&A Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. A good USB powered hub should help with this. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? By Still other manufacturers are taking pre-orders, and then banging out new units as quickly as they can. From scanning the reddit here it seems that VKB and Virpil seem to have similar quality and satisfaction from those who have bought, so after that it really does come down to how it feels in your hand and actually trying out the buttons and the layout, which is something you dont get to try until youve already made a decision and honestly something that others cant help with. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. For more information, please see our I plan on positing a review of the mcg ultimate once I receive it (should be getting it later this week hopefully) if you're curious. Been playing flight sims with a rig I purchased last year but ED was on my list of reasons why I spent money on a good input suite. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. 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