Shotly Jan 7 1967 , 4 weeks in the annex, 11months in the main establishment,left the RN after 26 years, as C.C.MEA(P) and you could tell Ganges trained men a mile off, Regrets not a bit.Sorry for the lad in my class that drank a pint of pussers disinfectant (The black stuff that turned white when you added water) I believe he got his Discharge. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. Read about our approach to external linking. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read about our approach to external linking. 1971. Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. Report . Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". #42. HP10 9TY. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. [1] When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. Read about our approach to external linking. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. He was quite good too. ", The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? [1] HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. A Gannett Company. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. It was named after a pre-existing training ship by the same name that was launched from Bombay and based at Shotley. 1976. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. Editors' Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. George Douglas Blake HMS Warspite. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. Saw your message. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. Tony Hayden. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. HMS Ganges is a little bit different though, because they have to get the spine road in first and do some prep work. H.M.S. Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. David Colwill. I did climb that mast. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. "I remember another of the Ganges boys, they were talking to a visitor at the museum, and she said 'it was quite brutal, wasn't it? HMS Ganges closed on June 6. Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. I joined up in 1968,three years after my brother, he hated it I was one off the sad ones that loved it, even the kit musters on the mast! She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. I was ordered to report for my test one evening after supper. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. October, new Shore Establishment created and commissioned as Royal Navy Training Establishment, Shotley. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. Helpful. The site was closed in 1976 and was used as a maaried quarter estate by the RAF. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. Thanks again, D. R. WALTON the only O.E.M. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Report abuse. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. interesting .. photos of the old pool. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. they said. The Royal Naval Training Establishment Shotley (known within the Royal Navy as HMS Ganges) was established in southern Suffolk in 1905. Ronald Carr. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. First time ever looking at any RN sights. Were you a 'button boy'? HMS Ganges. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. I took a bowl and ate the lot. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, HP10 9TY. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! Observer career path/ real life experience. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. The cold water often caused some boys to duck in and out of the water quickly or sometimes not at all. Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. 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The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". 1905. . 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The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. I had already taught myself to swim. Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. He was fondling my right cheek as I tried to concentrate on pipping. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). 2023 BBC. One person found this helpful. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. (LogOut/ Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. Its really difficult to give a definitive time scale but once things get going I would imagine that progress will be very visible whereas a lot of the work going on over the past two or three years hasnt necessarily been seen by the public.. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. 1907. contact the editor here. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Peter Ohara. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN (Image: Archant). This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. Like lots of other boys I ran away from home when I was 14 yrs old and joined the Royal Navy as a Boy Seaman 2nd class. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. in the RN with the nickname Doc. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. They looked like what we didn't, sailors. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to HP10 9TY. HMS GANGES MUSEUM. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. The Duke of Edinburgh visiting HMS Ganges in June 1973 Picture: ARCHANT (Image: Archant). There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. He went on to be an SD subby. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). It closed in 1998 or something. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. His early life was hard by any standards. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. 5.0 out of 5 stars A real trip down memory lane. JavaScript is disabled. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. Religion? maybe MaybeNot????????????. 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges hms ganges abuse external sites the BBC is not responsible for the content external! 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